Utah Outdoor Rave Event Turns to Violation of Our Rights (merged post)

[Law]

An event in my state gets busted....
Several police agenices and army forces (not totally sure if they were part of the military or not), raids one of our outdoor rave events and ransack the place. Guns were pointed to the dj's heads. People were getting beaten for no reason. Girl gets bit by K9 unit. Just a whole lot of violence excercised and violation of our rights as citizens in the United States.

The event... Versus 2
http://utrave.org/showthread.php?t=18313&page=1

Story
http://utrave.org/showthread.php?t=19971&page=1

Footage
http://utrave.org/showthread.php?t=20040&page=1

Personal Accounts
http://utrave.org/showthread.php?t=20020&page=1

So what has this world come to? We get our asses handed to us for trying to enjoy some EDM? We pay to see great DJ's play and we pay to have a great time but instead we get the opposite? Please read and leave some feedback.


*edit* Faster footage link:
www.djchriscanada.com/facism.mov

[Jason Cerna]

blame it on the rave act and how our culture is portrayed to the general public by the media.

[ScottS21]

Raves to the public eye isn't highly looked upon. More frowned upon because of suspected drug use and trafficing. You have to look at it from their perspective as well instead of just thinking they raided for no apparent reason. Theres just to many reasons for them to raid.

No permits
Undercover cops (Could sell to anyone and just make one call and it's over)
"Marked or Hot" drug dealers
Minors

And the list goes on. Yea you were having fun but all it takes is just one punk and the fun is over. Because I wrote this DOESN'T mean I like cops. I'm not a fan of those under paid, over powered bacon boys. I just got in trouble a few times and realized the truth.

[monoxide]

i read the thread on "footage" before acctually seeing the footage

and i thought to myself "wow the police mustve really gone overboard"

then i saw the footage

and i was thankfully slammed back into reality and i realized that the people crying on the forums are just liberal anti-government brainwashed victims. america is going down the tubes.

the friggin name of the video file is "facism". that is NOT facism, not even close. its called "doing your job". and if someone gets a little bruise, SO WHAT? suck it up, deal with it, this is life, not everyone is going to be happy, not everyone is going to be catered, there will always be poverty.


**THE COUNTER CULTURE OF THE 70s IS OVER!!!!!!!!!!**

sorry to you opinionated democrats here, but seeing people whine over trivial stuff liek that is what makes ME sick. its because of liberals liek those forum members why the liberal lawyers wouldn't let the FBI arrest the SAME HIJACKERS THAT FLEW INTO THE TOWERS *simply* because they had green cards.

however, if it IS true, which i doubt, that police tazered people unneccesary(read: randomly), then that is overboard.

[djnucent]

god damn. i feel so sorry for those guys that sucks man. all the bad trips and disappointment I hate cops,

[Lazy O]

Originally Posted by djnucent

god damn. i feel so sorry for those guys that sucks man

[Freako Suave]

The big question is if the cops arresting, tazing, and sicking dogs on the people that they did was necessary or not.

[Law]

Originally Posted by minty

The big question is if the cops arresting, tazing, and sicking dogs on the people that they did was necessary or not.

yup. anything else is between the promoter and the law.
even though i was not at the event. i had a few friends that went. and they say it was unnecessary force. come on, it's a rave, there's not gonna be any resistance. all they had to do was to come say shut off the music, but they had to attack innocent people and force several others to drive home (many still under the influence).

[catatronic]

Isn't it spelled fascism?

Sometimes the authorities can get kind of carried away, I'll admit, but I have to agree with ScottS21. If you want to get angry and you want change, start with the people actually causing the problem and ruining the scene from the inside out.

edit:
I've never seen so much bad grammar on one forum (UTRave, not DJF). That is one of America's major problems, if you ask me. Just a tip, if you guys want to be taken seriously when you write to your representatives, use capital letters and proper spelling and grammar. Several companies publish grammar guides, and they're not expensive.

The only way to change the public's perception of raves is to show that that perception wrong. If the police routinely show up and find people taking and selling drugs, guess what? That's how raves are going to be seen. If people read pages and pages of complaints about The Man violating their rights that look like they were written on a cell phone with nary a period in sight, guess what? It's not going to be taken seriously. They aren't going to see a bunch of responsible young adults who just want to have a good time, they're going to see a bunch of ignorant kids with no respect for the law, and they're going to treat you as such.

A few bad apples can ruin the entire bushel.

Apologies for the rant, but a lot of pet peeves got tweaked by all this.

I vote Democrat by the way.

[catatronic]

Originally Posted by Law

come on, it's a rave, there's not gonna be any resistance. all they had to do was to come say shut off the music ...

This isn't entirely true. I'm sure they assumed that there would be people on drugs at the event. People on drugs can act in unpredictable ways, and have been known to get violent occasionally.

I think something that would go a long way toward altering perceptions is to stop being so belligerent when a party gets busted. Something illegal might have been happening so deal with it. Getting freaked out at the police, yelling at them, and resisting arrest only throw more fuel on the anti-rave fire.

I should clarify that I'm not arguing that what the authorities did was right. It just shouldn't be quite such a surprise.

[Burger Daddy]

E. B. White wrote an excellent book back in the 1950's called Elements of Style. I would recommend it to anyone wishing to write properly in the English language.

[Burger Daddy]

About the Utah rave that was busted. I know that I would probably be pretty scared if I were a DJ or partygoer at the above discussed event. It seems to me that having a regiment of armored paramilitary police with MP5s and Shotguns show up to bust a rave is a little excessive. I have partied in multiple countries across both Europe and Asia and I have yet to see a party broken up with the level of ferocity that the police in the US use.

[Johnny Monsoon]

Dude, its Utah, who freakin cares....... totally kidding of course

this is definately an unfortunate event as I never like to see people hurt or injured.

Sadly it doesn't surprise me that something like this could happen seeing as the publics view of our scene is one where people take all kinds of drugs and trip out to music in secluded warehouses til the wee hours of the morning

I personally think that the publics opinion of our scene has done more damage than any political system. It kills me when I tell someone that I'm a trance DJ and the first thing they ask is "do you play at those parties where all the people are on drugs?"

I hope this all gets figured out and hope all parties who were injured recover.

[Law]

Originally Posted by catatronic

This isn't entirely true. I'm sure they assumed that there would be people on drugs at the event. People on drugs can act in unpredictable ways, and have been known to get violent occasionally.

I think something that would go a long way toward altering perceptions is to stop being so belligerent when a party gets busted. Something illegal might have been happening so deal with it. Getting freaked out at the police, yelling at them, and resisting arrest only throw more fuel on the anti-rave fire.

I should clarify that I'm not arguing that what the authorities did was right. It just shouldn't be quite such a surprise.

sry. i would say most people would not resist when you have several men in camoflauge with submachine guns and assault rifles aimed towards you. we have had busts before, but they usually ended in a shut off your music and go home everyone. not, helicopters flying above you, armed forces coming in from all directions, tear gas being fired into the crowd, etc.. i don't think anyone has seen this in a rave scene until now. it seems like we were some sort of terrorists organization to the law enforcements. but anyways, we'll see what happens in the following weeks.

[Lazy O]

Originally Posted by Johnny Monsoon

It kills me when I tell someone that I'm a trance DJ and the first thing they ask is "do you play at those parties where all the people are on drugs?"

f*kin idiots people use drugs no matter what type of music they listen too

and why dont cops raid rock & hip hop concerts?

they use drugs too and the wanna be "gangstas" are more likely to carry a weapon than a raver

[Johnny Monsoon]

Originally Posted by Lazy O

f*kin idiots people use drugs no matter what type of music they listen too

and why dont cops raid rock & hip hop concerts?

they use drugs too and the wanna be "gangstas" are more likely to carry a weapon than a raver

Amen!

go to a rock concert and look at how many clouds of chronic smoke come up.

But remember, a kande kid wearing size 72 extra wide parachute pants, charm bracelets, golf visor, gas mask, carebear backpack will always appear as a dangerous threat

[catatronic]

Originally Posted by Lazy O

and why dont cops raid rock & hip hop concerts?

Because they're usually held in established venues that pay for performance licenses, taxes on income earned at the event, and stuff like that. The city they're in gets something back from allowing them. Many raves, being "underground," don't give anything back to the community money-wise, so there's little incentive to tolerate them. (I heard this on an old thread here, if I recall, but it makes good sense to me.)

Good point, though. There's just as much of a drug presence at most rock shows as at raves.

[Lazy O]

Originally Posted by catatronic

Because they're usually held in established venues that pay for performance licenses, taxes on income earned at the event, and stuff like that. The city they're in gets something back from allowing them. Many raves, being "underground," don't give anything back to the community money-wise, so there's little incentive to tolerate them. (I heard this on an old thread here, if I recall, but it makes good sense to me.)
.

thats true

but its still messed up

[thprodigi]

"So on to my point. At around 11:00 I was enjoying the good vibes and great music. Then at about 11:30 pm a helicopter began circling the party. Out of nowhere huge semis filled with national guard, swat, and the police rolled up. Soldiers came out of the bushes and rushed down to the party. Carrying M-16s, Ak-47s, nightsticks, and tazers. They proceeded to attack random people and push their might around on people who had done nothing wrong."

this is f*cking retarded. I'm sorry but it's people like this, and all the people sayin' "I hate cops", and all that BS that cause most of the problem. I mean come on, there were soldiers with ak-47s rushing out of the bushes??!?!?!?!?!?!!? F*CK. that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard in my life. I can understand a cop on his beat or on the clock harassing someone or using unnessecary force...but do people realize how much money it would cost and time it would take to organize something like that??

I highly doubt that an army such as the one described was put together just to go screw with people and crash a party. besides, where do we get the resources to pull all this crazy stuff off when people like michael moore are complaining that there's a horrible shortage of cops and they don't get paid enough? hahahahahaha.

I'm sure there was a tip of some dealer(s) being in the area of the rave or something illegal like that and there were probably swat and a bunch of cops with weapons. but "huge semis" and soldiers carrying ak-47s rushing out of the bushes is retarded.

I don't think they even used semi's in that raid when they grabbed all that cocaine just a week or so ago in that huge ass bust.

[thprodigi]

Originally Posted by MR-m

About the Utah rave that was busted. I know that I would probably be pretty scared if I were a DJ or partygoer at the above discussed event. It seems to me that having a regiment of armored paramilitary police with MP5s and Shotguns show up to bust a rave is a little excessive. I have partied in multiple countries across both Europe and Asia and I have yet to see a party broken up with the level of ferocity that the police in the US use.

europe has always been more lenient with the drugs and partying etc etc. that's why everyone around the world goes to certain places in europe to party. they know it's a place where shit is tolerated as long as stuff doesn't get violent.

breaking up big events like this doesn't happen all that often in my experience. there's tons of raves and outdoor/underground events here in AZ and there's rarely any problems. and they're never on that scale either. and think about all the freakin' drugs running through our border here. and we're a conservative state, so you would think people would be all over the cops trying to get them to go bust shit up all the time...we've got freakin the craziest sherrif in the entire US. why don't we have armies attacking at least some of the events here???

I think shit was either going down/or was planned to go down at that rave. plain and simple.

[EmuKing]

All that force seems a bit excessive doesnt it but seriously that if what the attendees had to say is correct, they authorities had no right to enter the premises let alone do so with SWAT and that amount of, well, violence.

and now i enter rant mode

its because of liberals liek those forum members why the liberal lawyers wouldn't let the FBI arrest the SAME HIJACKERS THAT FLEW INTO THE TOWERS *simply* because they had green cards.

yep, you got its, those damn dirty whiney liberals, with their "human rights" and those sissy "civil liberties" how dare they not let the governement have full power over their rights as citizens, i bet 9/11 was some liberal conspiracy to destroy america and turn it into some dirty communist liberal dictatorship! death to the liberals because its the conservatives that know whats best for every one!

oh and the FBI couldnt arrest the hijackers because they died when they flew into the towers...
and as for before that, when the CIA / FBI actually had evidence of an impending al qaeda attack, (re a little intelligence report called something as misinterpretable as “Bin Laden determined to attack inside the United Sates” ) and nothing was done, who was in power? was it those those

liberal lawyers

? not quite, unless you think George Bush & dick cheney are liberal lawyers.

and if someone gets a little bruise, SO WHAT? suck it up, deal with it, this is life, not everyone is going to be happy, not everyone is going to be catered, there will always be poverty.

ok so how about we get the police to assault you when you out with your friends or, god forbid, DANCING TO MUSIC! but hey, you can just suck it up, big guy, i mean rifle butts and billy clubs dont hurt that much. Only pansies dont like taking a good random beating... its ok... as long as they dont use tasers

and as for poverty. "Are there no prisons, no workhouses?" I mean poverty always be there so WHO CARES let the poor fools die "and decrease the surplus population."

**THE COUNTER CULTURE OF THE 70s IS OVER!!!!!!!!!!**

yeah, agreeing with everything the government does is soooooo in, dont you guys know anything? authoritarian rule is THE must have for this decade!

sorry to you opinionated democrats here

because obviously you (and republicans, unless you're a green party member in which case i doubt you read their party platform) are as neutral as anyone, I mean, your motto should be "Monoxide: Fair & balenced"

your ignorance is amazing, and I thank you for sharing it with me/us.

exit rant mode

[tv_g]

this is so incredibly important to our scene:

http://www.404audio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14814

and DOA:

http://www.dogsonacid.com/showthread...9863&cache=273

this makes me want to puke.

[Dj Jag]

man as you guys say, its very exagerated! whew! man i cant believe cops can act like villains in parties man... well i dont want to enter rant mode so might as well end my post

[Marc.S]

Originally Posted by thprodigi

europe has always been more lenient with the drugs and partying etc etc. that's why everyone around the world goes to certain places in europe to party. they know it's a place where shit is tolerated as long as stuff doesn't get violent.

I think shit was either going down/or was planned to go down at that rave. plain and simple.

it is being clamped down on in many ares now though. I was once at a rave back in 1998 called Dreamscape, the police and security where basicaly walking down the line of 10,000 ravers queing up saying - "if you got drugs and your gonna use em, do it now so the event organisers cant be held responsible for the drugs being inside the event."

i think the thinking behind this is that, you will NEVER stop drugs getting into raves, so you need to have a little understanding with those who are using,

[Phil Noize]

Man, that really does suck ass big style!! ... Glad we don't get busted over here with automatic weapons & tazers.